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Post by StAugustineFL Wed May 02, 2018 5:11 pm

May is here.  Higher temps along with increased dew point values will be on us any day now like stink on doggy doo.  Enjoy any remaining cool nights/pleasant days as the sand in the hour glass is about to reach its' expiration date.  May also brings potential pre-season tropical mischief.  What will May 2018 bring?  We shall see.
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Post by StAugustineFL Wed May 02, 2018 5:23 pm

Alberto 2012, Beryl 2012, Ana 2015 and Bonnie 2016 are some recent examples of early tropical storms.
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Post by BillsfaninSoFla Wed May 02, 2018 6:39 pm

Thanks for the new blog Aug

Congrats on the roof approval. Yeah, based on our re-roofing after Wilma it is noisy, especially the first day, tear off etc.. hopefully it goes quickly.

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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 5:23 am

BillsfaninSoFla wrote:Thanks for the new blog Aug

Congrats on the roof approval.  Yeah, based on our re-roofing after Wilma it is noisy, especially the first day, tear off etc.. hopefully it goes quickly.  
Yes, congrats and good luck up there AUG with your roofing!!!
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 5:23 am

Hazardous Weather Outlook
National Weather Service Tampa Bay Ruskin FL
406 AM EDT Thu May 3 2018

FLZ043-050-052-056-057-061-139-142-148-149-151-155-160-162-165-
239-242-248-249-251-255-260-262-265-GMZ830-836-850-853-856-870-
873-876-032015-
Sumter-Pinellas-Polk-Hardee-Highlands-DeSoto-Coastal Levy-
Coastal Citrus-Coastal Hernando-Coastal Pasco-
Coastal Hillsborough-Coastal Manatee-Coastal Sarasota-
Coastal Charlotte-Coastal Lee-Inland Levy-Inland Citrus-
Inland Hernando-Inland Pasco-Inland Hillsborough-Inland Manatee-
Inland Sarasota-Inland Charlotte-Inland Lee-Tampa Bay waters-
Charlotte Harbor and Pine Island Sound-
Coastal waters from Tarpon Springs to Suwannee River FL out 20 NM-
Coastal waters from Englewood to Tarpon Springs FL out 20 NM-
Coastal waters from Bonita Beach to Englewood FL out 20 NM-
Waters from Tarpon Springs to Suwannee River FL out 20 to 60 NM-
Waters from Englewood to Tarpon Springs FL out 20 to 60 NM-
Waters from Bonita Beach to Englewood FL out 20 to 60 NM-
406 AM EDT Thu May 3 2018

This Hazardous Weather Outlook is for West Central And Southwest
Florida.

.DAY ONE...Today and Tonight.

...MARINE IMPACTS...
Easterly winds will increase to or near cautionary levels across
the coastal waters this evening and continue into Friday morning.
Mariners should exercise caution.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...Friday through Wednesday.

...THUNDERSTORM IMPACT...
For Saturday through Wednesday a trough of low pressure moves
west across the area as a cold front approaches from the
north...resulting in increasing deep moisture. Isolated
thunderstorms are expected along with isolated to scattered but
occasionally numerous showers. Thunderstorms will be capable of
producing strong gusty winds...locally heavy rains...and frequent
deadly lightning strikes.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

Spotter activation will not be needed today.

$$

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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 5:27 am

Good Early Thursday Morning folks!!...well still a nice cool morning here..dogs are loving this lol...but it seems in a couple of days another front comes so changes are coming but a good thing..my NWS is saying rain chances are coming,beginning on Saturday they think...hopefully this verifies...............well have a great day everyone!
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 7:01 am

just want to mention that the models are picking up on something over in the Bahamas.......................CLOSED May Blog:  Higher Temps, Higher Dew Points, Higher Irritability Al_rCUMP_048
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 7:27 am

hmmm Largo see's the Blog's empty Coffee pot and thinks..gee sure would be nice if there was some HOT coffee and Tea and maybe even hot Cocoa..aww he goes and makes the hot drinks for when the others get in here..he smiles when finished...poof!
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 8:53 am

Billsfan and south east Florida, you folks just may get some heavy tropical rains this weekend, weather channel etc are watching for any tropical development but say sheer is too high but..good luck getting maybe some good rain ok
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 10:01 am

so now i KNOW there will be rain here...the city street sweeper just came down my block lol
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Post by BillsfaninSoFla Thu May 03, 2018 10:16 am

Good morning Largo and all! Thanks for the extra coffee today.

Ditto what Largo said on the last blog, I'm sure happy it is not July/August with the blob down yonder.
We can certainly use the rain, but the Air & Sea Show is this weekend, I sure hate to see millions disappointed if it is postponed.

Have a nice day!


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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 11:12 am

BillsfaninSoFla wrote:Good morning Largo and all!  Thanks for the extra coffee today.

Ditto what Largo said on the last blog, I'm sure happy it is not July/August with the blob down yonder.
We can certainly use the rain, but the Air & Sea show weekend is this weekend, I sure hate to see millions disappointed if it is postponed.  

Have a nice day!  
yes lets see what develops.hopefully not too much wind
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 11:43 am

Billsfan, keep an ear to your local mets warnings this weekend ok..one never knows what surprises can happen if this LOW in the Bahamas comes ashore down there or a waterspout comes ashore etc ok.
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 11:44 am

well for south and central florida, might turn out to be interesting ,weather wise saturday thru wednesday huh
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Post by JRnOldsmar Thu May 03, 2018 12:27 pm

Been missin' y'all. Caught a breather this morning to catch up. Work has been brutal. And I'm starting up a big project. Big computer systems' changes coming mid-month and it has me worried. Changes last month have had me hopping until this week.

Dryer 60's overnight has been nice to see, good breeze too, but summer is just around the corner. I'm guessing that the house gets closed up soon until October. I'm ready for some thunderstorms now.

Good news and good luck on the roof, Aug. I worked at home when having mine replaced a few years ago. Conference calls were challenging to say the least. I found a good roofer through Owens-Corning certified installers.

I guess you're on official blob-watch there, Largo. Smile Thanks for keeping everyone up to date here!!!

Stay safe everyone. Good to see you, Phil.
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 1:10 pm

JRnOldsmar wrote:Been missin' y'all.  Caught a breather this morning to catch up.  Work has been brutal.  And I'm starting up a big project.  Big computer systems' changes coming mid-month and it has me worried.  Changes last month have had me hopping until this week.

Dryer 60's overnight has been nice to see, good breeze too, but summer is just around the corner.  I'm guessing that the house gets closed up soon until October.  I'm ready for some thunderstorms now.

Good news and good luck on the roof, Aug.  I worked at home when having mine replaced a few years ago.  Conference calls were challenging to say the least.  I found a good roofer through Owens-Corning certified installers.

I guess you're on official blob-watch there, Largo.  Smile  Thanks for keeping everyone up to date here!!!

Stay safe everyone.  Good to see you, Phil.
ok JR, dont forget to take a break every now and then..stay healthy ok
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 1:15 pm

good luck down there Billsfan,you might get 3-4 days with good rain chances huh..wow...........CLOSED May Blog:  Higher Temps, Higher Dew Points, Higher Irritability 7dayTest
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 1:21 pm

well for the Tampa bay area, even low rain chances are most welcomed huh,good luck folks........CLOSED May Blog:  Higher Temps, Higher Dew Points, Higher Irritability Lg_7day
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 1:23 pm

ok, we'll just wait this out and see what happens..a weak tropical something, then a weak cold front that will settle over south florida for awhile..so far dont see anyone mentioning anything severe yet
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Post by sangria Thu May 03, 2018 2:45 pm

Good afternoon everyone and hello Phil!  Nice to see you pop in JR.  Thanks for pony-upping the new blog Aug!

It's been busy around these parts with work, I'm looking to a couple of days of R&R at the end of the month.  The Euro wants to take us into July  next week!!

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Post by PuppyToes Thu May 03, 2018 2:48 pm

Greetings all. Thanks Largo for all the morning essentials! Well we’ve had to put some quotes out on our driveway and how the rain is washing out the sand underneath. Ed has been filling the areas with dry concrete and packing it in. One quote was 21k. Yeah right. It’s always sumptin!
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 4:19 pm

we may...just have our very first INVEST out there within the next 36 hours or so.
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 4:34 pm


Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Tampa Bay Ruskin FL
245 PM EDT Thu May 3 2018

.SHORT TERM (Tonight - Friday)...
A closed upper low sits just east of the Bahamas with troughing
extending northeast into the central Atlantic east of Bermuda.
Extensive cloudiness and rain showers over that region can be seen
on satellite imagery. But lucky for us, we continue to have strong
upper level ridging extending from the central Gulf of Mexico
northeastward over the southeast U.S. to keep fair weather over
Florida for the next couple of days. On the surface, strong high
pressure near Bermuda ridges west-southwest over Florida producing a
predominant east-northeast wind flow, sunny skies and warm weather
over the Florida peninsula. No changes in this pattern is expected
over the next couple of days until the upper low moves westward by
Saturday and Sunday. More on this feature in the long term
discussion.

&&

.Mid/Long Term (Friday Night through Thursday)...
Models continue in good agreement with features around the region
this weekend and into next week. Strong early TUTT low continues to
spin over Cuba while the southern tier upper trough moves through
the Gulf Coast region and over the state weakening and
absorbing/merging the TUTT into the trough. At the surface, weak
easterly wave approaches the FL Peninsula from the SE with
increasing moisture and seabreeze interactions for scattered POPs
mainly over interior and southern areas Saturday. On Sun,
combination of weak and slow frontal boundary moving into the area
from the NW and the stalling inverted trough over the Peninsula to
keep unsettled weather in the area. Most of scattered to numerous
precip chances expected on east side of trough and along frontal
interaction, so POPs may change with exact placement and timing of
these features.

Upper trough to get reinforced in the Deep South and finally pushes
surface frontal system through the state into the W Atlantic
Mon/Tue, but lingering instability and moisture for mainly isolated
diurnal inland showers through mid week. Temps to run near to
slightly above seasonal averages through the forecast period.

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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 4:38 pm

just clipped this from this afternoons NHC discussion..............A sharp upper-level trough extends from the north central Atlantic
southward across Bermuda, to the developing mid-level low. Gradual
develop of the low into the upper- and lower-levels is expected
through Saturday as the system drifts southward to eastern/central
Cuba by late Friday. The surface trough is expected to gradually
develop into a broad low pressure system and move WNW between the
Bahamas and Cuba during the next 48 hours, and be near southern
Florida by early Saturday. Active weather spawned by the instability
of this large and complex deep-layer low, along with abundant
moisture drawn northward in a fresh to strong SE wind flow, will
result in numerous showers and thunderstorms steadily developing
and overspreading most of the Greater Antilles, Bahamas, Turks and
Caicos, and adjacent waters by Fri, and gradually spread westward
across the Straits of Florida and into the Florida peninsula over
the weekend. Fresh to strong NE winds are expected ahead of the
trough, and fresh to strong SE winds will follow the trough,
impacting mainly the waters S of 27N-28N and W of 65W.
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Post by StPeteFLwx Thu May 03, 2018 4:48 pm

Very short-lived, but will hopefully bring some rain
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Post by BillsfaninSoFla Thu May 03, 2018 4:49 pm

Wow San. Few days lows in 60's highs in 90's. Quite the swing.

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Post by StAugustineFL Thu May 03, 2018 5:24 pm

PuppyToes wrote:Greetings all. Thanks Largo for all the morning essentials! Well we’ve had to put some quotes out on our driveway and how the rain is washing out the sand underneath. Ed has been filling the areas with dry concrete and packing it in. One quote was 21k. Yeah right. It’s always sumptin!

Crikey, 21K?! They must be scheming with razor and battery companies. Kills me how much those items cost.
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Post by LargoFL Thu May 03, 2018 5:27 pm

StPeteFLwx wrote:Very short-lived, but will hopefully bring some rain
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yeah st pete we need this rain here huh
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Post by StAugustineFL Thu May 03, 2018 5:37 pm

I feel your pain JR.  Good luck on the new project.  Perseverance my friend!

If the Euro is right san that's' summer weather with low 90's for highs and 70's for lows.  Crank up those summertime #comfy DP's.

Thanks for the updates Largo.  Looking longer term seems a wetter pattern may be settling in beyond this weekend which is nice for May.  Time will tell.
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Post by PuppyToes Thu May 03, 2018 6:50 pm

Oops sorry typo! 12.5k. We gots few quotes and we feel comfortable with this other fella. 4,500 concrete guy and worked w the builders of where we live. Anyway he’s starting Monday, done Wednesday and ready for the rainy season. BRING IT!
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 5:15 am

Good Friday Morning Folks and TGIF!!!!!!..........well another nice and warm day ahead...then quite possibly a wet and may be..a very wet weekend for some of us...NWS Tampa raised my rain chances to 50% for saturday,we'll see if it goes and higher tomorrow...Billsfan,folks in southern Florida and east coasters..you may get more than us west coasters local met thinks..we'll see how this goes huh..well have a great day folks..Blogs Coffee-Tea-Cocoa is perking for when you get here..grab a cup and relax.
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 5:24 am

my Prayer's for the People in Hawaii where the Volcano is erupting, new fissures and Lava flows are happening and unknown where the next fissures etc will open up and start spewing Lava too..a very scary situation for sure.
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Post by severstorm Fri May 04, 2018 6:43 am

Morning All,
 Wow Largo, You are getting so much stuff for us in the mornings you could call it Largo's buffet!!!!
Thanks for the coffee.
Had a low of 57 this am. I know its coming to a end so will enjoy.
Saturday thru Monday looks interesting for rain which we all need.
I am also putting a new roof on my house. I'm going with a rubber roof. Quoted at $6650.00
Finalize the deal this Saturday.

Have a great day and a great weekend All!!!
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 7:27 am

severstorm wrote:Morning All,
 Wow Largo, You are getting so much stuff for us in the mornings you could call it Largo's buffet!!!!
Thanks for the coffee.
Had a low of 57 this am. I know its coming to a end so will enjoy.
Saturday thru Monday looks interesting for rain which we all need.
I am also putting a new roof on my house. I'm going with a rubber roof. Quoted at $6650.00
Finalize the deal this Saturday.

Have a great day and a great weekend All!!!
John Z-hills
good morning john, yes the coffee came out great this morning LOL...good luck with the new roof john!!
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 7:31 am

Gee IF this was June-July we'd be in trouble with something Tropical coming IN to Florida huh....CLOSED May Blog:  Higher Temps, Higher Dew Points, Higher Irritability Al_rTCFP_024
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 8:24 am

I see some of you have a high stress job,well in all my working years, ive seen a few fall victim to that job stress,it doesnt matter how much you make etc..one heart attack,one stroke changes your life..or even takes it..folks remember to take longer breaks..do more things that are fun and relaxing..just a tip from an old ancient guy who knows its the truth ok.
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Post by BillsfaninSoFla Fri May 04, 2018 8:47 am

severstorm wrote:Morning All,
 Wow Largo, You are getting so much stuff for us in the mornings you could call it Largo's buffet!!!!
Thanks for the coffee.
Had a low of 57 this am. I know its coming to a end so will enjoy.
Saturday thru Monday looks interesting for rain which we all need.
I am also putting a new roof on my house. I'm going with a rubber roof. Quoted at $6650.00
Finalize the deal this Saturday.

Have a great day and a great weekend All!!!
John Z-hills


A rubber roof? I've never heard of that. The price is very good! Good luck John..

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Post by BillsfaninSoFla Fri May 04, 2018 8:48 am

Not sure what to expect, both radio and TV weather people don't seem too impressed by the blob.

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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 9:23 am

BillsfaninSoFla wrote:
severstorm wrote:Morning All,
 Wow Largo, You are getting so much stuff for us in the mornings you could call it Largo's buffet!!!!
Thanks for the coffee.
Had a low of 57 this am. I know its coming to a end so will enjoy.
Saturday thru Monday looks interesting for rain which we all need.
I am also putting a new roof on my house. I'm going with a rubber roof. Quoted at $6650.00
Finalize the deal this Saturday.

Have a great day and a great weekend All!!!
John Z-hills


A rubber roof? I've never heard of  that. The price is very good!   Good luck John..
yes i too was wondering about that.im wondering how that holds up to our intense sun and heat?
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 9:29 am

just look up rubber roofs for florida....wow alot of info there from alot of companies...i never heard of this roofing material//made from old tires one company said and very long lasting too
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 9:51 am

there is one thing i really like about this rubber roofing, none or very few seams..meaning less danger of leaks and very long lasting they say and cheaper then conventional asbestos shingles
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Post by JRnOldsmar Fri May 04, 2018 9:53 am

LargoFL wrote:I see some of you have a high stress job,well in all my working years, ive seen a few fall victim to that job stress,it doesnt matter how much you make etc..one heart attack,one stroke changes your life..or even takes it..folks remember to take longer breaks..do more things that are fun and relaxing..just a tip from an old ancient guy who knows its the truth ok.

Good advice, Largo. Been running in the IT world (and on-call 24x365) for almost 40 years now, so I have certainly had my stressful moments, and times of extreme work hours. I've learned over the years on how to create my own balance, and TAKE the flexibility I need to survive. As long as I kick butt when the heat is on, I get away with more relaxed effort at other times. I pretty much control my own office schedule, and work remotely at will. The next several weeks are looking interesting, and will most likely create a challenge, but I'll work in the moments to manage the mental and physical health. 5 more years of this and then I pull out and find something fun to do. Smile

I'm hoping that our little rain event reaches this far north. Good luck for good rains down there, Bills.
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 9:54 am

oh well back to saying..what a beautiful warm sunny day it is in my area...is it the same in your area?..im asking because some of you will be getting the advance edges of this coming rain and/or storms before I do..sure would like to know if there's any bad winds with it too..let us know ok..thanks.
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Post by JRnOldsmar Fri May 04, 2018 10:02 am

From one of my team members, here at work.
The owner was a friend of mine and my e-cig supplier.

Hello Team,

I am sharing this for my brother. His store “Blenders Smoothies and Supplements” was robbed last night. The robbers got away with quite a few things and it has really put a big financial hit on them. He and his wife setup a robbery recovery fund through gofundme. There is no obligation to contribute but I ask if you can possible share this information. Thank you.


“Last night May 3, 2018 our family owned small business was robbed. They stole all of our electronics from our store. Including IPAD cash register systems,  TV's, Laptops, cash and other merchandise. This is a tremendous hit to us due to the fact that our insurance somehow does not cover theft. It covers everything BUT theft. We also had to close our store as well which causes an even bigger financial hit to us. Not only did the insurance not cover theft, they also won't cover the repairs on the front glass of the store. We have to pay out of pocket.

We love our community and our customers. We aren't asking for much, anything you can give is immensely appreciate to help us recoup after this tremendous loss. Thank you in advance for any kindness you can extend to your family. “

gofundme link
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Post by severstorm Fri May 04, 2018 10:53 am

LargoFL wrote:there is one thing i really like about this rubber roofing, none or very few seams..meaning less danger of leaks and very long lasting they say and cheaper then conventional asbestos shingles

Largo and Billsfan, My son used to put these rubber roofs on when he lived down in fl. The company I got to do the job was very honest and told me not to do a roof over which I wanted. They told me rubber was the way to go for price. And they will put as much insulation under the rubber roof you might want within the guild lines.
He also told me that the way it seals is better for hurricane season. No air gaps for the wind to get under.
John Z-hills

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Post by StPeteFLwx Fri May 04, 2018 11:28 am

severstorm wrote:Largo and Billsfan, My son used to put these rubber roofs on when he lived down in fl. The company I got to do the job was very honest and told me not to do a roof over which I wanted. They told me rubber was the way to go for price. And they will put as much insulation under the rubber roof you might want within the guild lines.
He also told me that the way it seals is better for hurricane season. No air gaps for the wind to get under.
John Z-hills

Does it come in different colors?  There is a house down the road from me that has a white, I guess rubber, sheet on the roof. I thought it was underlayment but it's been months and they haven't shingled.  Must be what you are talking about, I bet white would be a good reflector for the Florida Sun.

Rain chance about for tomorrow evening
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 12:02 pm

JRnOldsmar wrote:
LargoFL wrote:I see some of you have a high stress job,well in all my working years, ive seen a few fall victim to that job stress,it doesnt matter how much you make etc..one heart attack,one stroke changes your life..or even takes it..folks remember to take longer breaks..do more things that are fun and relaxing..just a tip from an old ancient guy who knows its the truth ok.

Good advice, Largo.  Been running in the IT world (and on-call 24x365) for almost 40 years now, so I have certainly had my stressful moments, and times of extreme work hours.  I've learned over the years on how to create my own balance, and TAKE the flexibility I need to survive.  As long as I kick butt when the heat is on, I get away with more relaxed effort at other times.  I pretty much control my own office schedule, and work remotely at will.  The next several weeks are looking interesting, and will most likely create a challenge, but I'll work in the moments to manage the mental and physical health.  5 more years of this and then I pull out and find something fun to do.  Smile

I'm hoping that our little rain event reaches this far north.  Good luck for good rains down there, Bills.
ok JR good luck ok
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Post by LargoFL Fri May 04, 2018 12:03 pm

severstorm wrote:
LargoFL wrote:there is one thing i really like about this rubber roofing, none or very few seams..meaning less danger of leaks and very long lasting they say and cheaper then conventional asbestos shingles

Largo and Billsfan, My son used to put these rubber roofs on when he lived down in fl. The company I got to do the job was very honest and told me not to do a roof over which I wanted. They told me rubber was the way to go for price. And they will put as much insulation under the rubber roof you might want within the guild lines.
He also told me that the way it seals is better for hurricane season. No air gaps for the wind to get under.
John Z-hills
ok good luck with it john!!
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